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Re: VoodooShield v5 STABLE Thread
« Reply #15 on: May 22, 2019, 01:16:37 pm »
RE Dan's recent post:

"...And you guys also understand that the ONLY way to provide the most robust and effective lock possible, is through our patented toggling technology.  In other words, you can only lock a computer so tight before it will not even boot properly.  But if you implement a toggling mechanism, you can apply the absolute strongest lock possible, once the computer is up and running."

I assume that Dan is speaking here about "Smart mode", which toggles automatically between on and off?

But I hear that many people run VS in "always on" mode. If you are one of them, have you experienced any issues?
If you use Smart mode, have you found it more user-friendly?

Just curious about this issue.
That was my settings was always on in smart mode when I was testing and I didn’t have any issues.

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Re: VoodooShield v5 STABLE Thread
« Reply #16 on: May 22, 2019, 04:34:36 pm »
RE Dan's recent post:

"...And you guys also understand that the ONLY way to provide the most robust and effective lock possible, is through our patented toggling technology.  In other words, you can only lock a computer so tight before it will not even boot properly.  But if you implement a toggling mechanism, you can apply the absolute strongest lock possible, once the computer is up and running."

I assume that Dan is speaking here about "Smart mode", which toggles automatically between on and off?

But I hear that many people run VS in "always on" mode. If you are one of them, have you experienced any issues?
If you use Smart mode, have you found it more user-friendly?

Just curious about this issue.

I have one installation set to 'Smart Mode' and one 'Always on' and have found no issues on either setting with everyday use.
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Re: VoodooShield v5 STABLE Thread
« Reply #17 on: May 22, 2019, 05:50:08 pm »
RE Dan's recent post:

"...And you guys also understand that the ONLY way to provide the most robust and effective lock possible, is through our patented toggling technology.  In other words, you can only lock a computer so tight before it will not even boot properly.  But if you implement a toggling mechanism, you can apply the absolute strongest lock possible, once the computer is up and running."

I assume that Dan is speaking here about "Smart mode", which toggles automatically between on and off?

But I hear that many people run VS in "always on" mode. If you are one of them, have you experienced any issues?
If you use Smart mode, have you found it more user-friendly?

Just curious about this issue.

I haven't used Smart mode in years. I use Always On most of the time and I've never had an issue it, or Autopilot.  8)

Edit: I  find Autopilot prompts me less than Always On, which is how Dan describes it.
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Re: VoodooShield v5 STABLE Thread
« Reply #18 on: May 23, 2019, 08:14:00 pm »
Edit: I  find Autopilot prompts me less than Always On, which is how Dan describes it.
From memory no VS installed atm. Always on will ask for user prompt for every new file trying to run. Autopilot will only ask after doing some checks and won't/can't decide alone. At least that would be my way to explain it :D (Speaking for clean files of course)
So if I install a known file a few days old on autopilot most of the time I will see no prompt of any type. On always on I will get at least one (or more)

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« Reply #19 on: May 24, 2019, 09:46:42 am »
Thanks to all who replied to my question about Smart mode and toggling.

Dan, I understand that you recommend Smart mode, so maybe you could spell out the advantages of the toggle approach, as opposed to the always-on approach? It sounds like most users, including myself, can't see the practical difference.

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Re: VoodooShield v5 STABLE Thread
« Reply #20 on: May 24, 2019, 10:28:00 am »
"what does clearing the command lines do? is it just the list of triggered commands? Thanks!"

It depends how those command lines got there in the first place. If you allowed them manually, and you delete them, you will have to allow them manually again, if they reoccur. If they got there automatically, they will reappear automatically, assuming they reoccur in the same circumstances and you have not changed your settings.

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« Reply #21 on: May 30, 2019, 09:48:29 am »
Tried VS 5.00 again and either I'm not really awake or the "maximize whitelist" button is gone. Can't find it anymore.
If it is gone is there an eta for it's return? Otherwise scrolling to the right side to see which of the 5++ process was what is not really fun.
Any chance for a button like "only allow the really needed windows 10 services", so without the bloat like "speechruntime" or such? Maybe hidden under advanced and with big warnings. Since im using Windows Defender more Progamms seemed to be needed :D
Anyway VS 5.0 running so far fine on Windows 10, 1809 64bit.
 

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« Reply #22 on: May 30, 2019, 03:15:18 pm »
Appears to be there in your screenshot...

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Re: VoodooShield v5 STABLE Thread
« Reply #23 on: May 30, 2019, 03:40:35 pm »
@Telos Thanks a lot :D I was so accustomed with the checkbox option that I never looked in the upper right corner. Really good to have the maximize option :)
Upgraded Adguard to the newest 7.0.2693.6661 stable version. Seems like the command lines are so long that you couldn't see the whole thing. Didn't try if hoovering over the line would show it all. I was to busy finding the screenshot key :D
Could be some scaling settings in my win 10, 64 bit 1809, VS 5 smart mode/aggressive. No clue, I'm at 125% Scale.

Edit: New program, new picture :D So hoovering about the command line shows it but still not easy to read about the whole screen.
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« Reply #24 on: June 02, 2019, 05:14:59 am »
... I was to busy finding the screenshot key :D ...

Aaaahh...  Alt+Print Screen ?   ;)

I do think allowing us to stretch the image would be in order.  I know the window is not (obviously) a Windows Dialog/API, but surely stretching--grab a side and pull--could be possible?
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Re: VoodooShield v5 STABLE Thread
« Reply #25 on: June 02, 2019, 11:02:20 pm »
following is meant as a friendly question.  Andy Ful posted in his Hard_Configurator thread at MT suggesting not to run his H_C app or similar apps (osa, vs too?) in combo with comodo firewall with cruelsister config (cf@cs aka cruelcomodo). I run cf@cs on win7 with vs, I've run vs for years. (I'm holding a copy of vs 1.07 from 2013).  I don't see any conflict, but also unclear if vs is adding any layer protection that might be missed by cf@cs, or is vs totally redundant? I have seen vs listed in cf logs under containment_ignore (cf sandbox), but never get conflicting popups, in fact, rarely if ever get any popups from either app. I'm not seeing any conflict, and I like right-clicking a file for VS/VAi/VT scan.  I asked Dan about this many months ago but he did not want to comment on cf as he was not that familiar with it, other than if I didn't see any conflict then it's ok to run both in combo.  But I did disable H_C. Appreciate any feedback.

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« Reply #26 on: June 03, 2019, 03:50:42 am »
... suggesting not to run his H_C app or similar apps (osa, vs too?) in combo with comodo firewall with cruelsister config (cf@cs aka cruelcomodo) ...

We-e-e-elll, Comodo Firewall is a program that opens and closes a gate/door for apps to phone various entities.  VS is an program that issues permissions for apps to actually run.  They should normally ignore each other.

But, if VS takes a dislike to CF, then CF (with or without CruelSister) won't run.  Of course, if CF-CS has a problem with VS, then Dan's app may have a hard time doing its job.  So as long as each is whitelisted by the other, then all will be well.

Generally speaking, while "Layered Security" is--like competition--a Good Thing, too much of either will produce sub-optimal outcomes.  Too much competition produces poverty-line pricing which forces poor service, and too much security (I won't mention any particular nation here) results in infighting and poor service.  The KISS principle applies very much to Security.   8)

EDIT: The KISS principle also dictates that any app should only do one thing.  Do-Everything apps are recipes for disaster.
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Re: VoodooShield v5 STABLE Thread
« Reply #27 on: June 03, 2019, 04:43:20 am »
... suggesting not to run his H_C app or similar apps (osa, vs too?) in combo with comodo firewall with cruelsister config (cf@cs aka cruelcomodo) ...

We-e-e-elll, Comodo Firewall is a program that opens and closes a gate/door for apps to phone various entities.  VS is an program that issues permissions for apps to actually run.  They should normally ignore each other.
But, if VS takes a dislike to CF, then CF (with or without CruelSister) won't run.  Of course, if CF-CS has a problem with VS, then Dan's app may have a hard time doing its job.  So as long as each is whitelisted by the other, then all will be well.

Thanks!  cf component apps are whitelisted in VS. As I understand it in a basic way, cf does more than act as a gateway, its containment aka fka sandbox is the key component, when config'd with cruelsister's settings, that puts malware in sandbox perhaps before VS can block execution.  But I am NOT an authority on that, just a happy user of both cf@cs and VS.  In cf, vs is shown as trusted app.  coincidentally to posting here, I stumbled into wilders vs thread and there seemed to be a discussion about cf and some other apps, but I have not had a chance to put it into context yet.  Redundancy is not necessarily a big concern as long as there is no conflict and both are operating optimally.
 

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Re: VoodooShield v5 STABLE Thread
« Reply #28 on: June 03, 2019, 06:10:43 pm »
Thanks to all who replied to my question about Smart mode and toggling.

Dan, I understand that you recommend Smart mode, so maybe you could spell out the advantages of the toggle approach, as opposed to the always-on approach? It sounds like most users, including myself, can't see the practical difference.
Hey, a new thread!  Sure, when VS toggles to OFF, it automatically builds the tiny, customized whitelist for the user.  VS also toggles to OFF after 10 minutes of user inactivity.  If you were to reset your whitelist and put VS in Smart Mode, you would probably be surprised how many items are automatically added to the whitelist that would normally be blocked by traditional application whitelisting.  After a few days it probably does not make that big of a difference, especially if you are like 95%+ users who hardly ever install new software.

The whole goal of VS is to reduce the frequency of unwanted and unnecessary user prompts as much as possible, and to automatically build the tiny, customized whitelist for the end user, and to keep the whitelist as small as possible.

Besides toggling, the other option would be to scan and whitelist the entire hard drive after initially installing VS.  This is okay, but obviously a whitelist that only contains 200-500 items is probably going to be more secure than a whitelist that contains tens of thousands of items.

But most importantly, the toggling provides VS the ability to create the most secure and robust lock possible, without significantly increasing the frequency of unnecessary user prompts.  This is what I refer to as dynamic security postures, and it is the toggling that provides dynamic security postures.

For example... take your favorite traditional or next-gen security software.  How cool would it be if the baseline protection was in place full time, then when the user is engaging in risky activities (browsing the web, checking email, etc.), your favorite security software dynamically switches to a heightened security posture?  Security products have come a very long way the last few years, and there are some amazing products on the market, but it is extremely difficult for them to detect all malware AND have zero false positives if they only offer one static security posture full time.

Changing security postures on the fly is really what VS is all about.

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Re: VoodooShield v5 STABLE Thread
« Reply #29 on: June 03, 2019, 06:12:53 pm »
@Telos Thanks a lot :D I was so accustomed with the checkbox option that I never looked in the upper right corner. Really good to have the maximize option :)
Upgraded Adguard to the newest 7.0.2693.6661 stable version. Seems like the command lines are so long that you couldn't see the whole thing. Didn't try if hoovering over the line would show it all. I was to busy finding the screenshot key :D
Could be some scaling settings in my win 10, 64 bit 1809, VS 5 smart mode/aggressive. No clue, I'm at 125% Scale.

Edit: New program, new picture :D So hoovering about the command line shows it but still not easy to read about the whole screen.
Thank you for letting me know... I will check out 125% scale.

BTW, the conhosts in your previous posts all had different parent processes... that is why there are so many ;).